[DEV SITE] - CBR16 TESTING AND DEVELOPMENT

Search This Site

| Log in
  1. Follow us on Facebook
  2. Follow us on Twitter
  3. Follow us on Instagram
  4. Follow us on Goodreads
  5. RSS Feeds

  • Home
  • About
    • About CBR
    • Getting Started
    • FAQ
    • CBR Book Club
    • Fan Mail
    • AlabamaPink
  • Our Team
    • Leaderboard
    • The CBR Team
    • Recent Comments
    • CBR Interviews
    • Our Volunteers
    • Meet MsWas
  • Categories
    • Genres
    • Tags
    • Star Ratings
  • Fight Cancer
    • How We Fight Cancer
    • Donating to Cannonball Read, Inc.
    • CBR Merchandise
    • Supporters and Friends of CBR
  • Contact
    • Contact Form
    • Newsletter Sign Up
    • Newsletter Archive
    • Follow Us

This series is officially the most batshit thing I’ve ever read.

October 16, 2015 by narfna 30 Comments

temple of the windsDefinitely the worst of these books yet. I almost one-starred it, but the main thing that was making me want to do that was semi-addressed by the end, so I don’t think this series has quite reached the point of untenable badness just yet. (And I want to save the one star, because I’m pretty sure there is much worse to come.)

Lately I’ve been forcing myself to write reviews immediately after finishing books, but I made an exception with this one because a) I needed a break from it, and b) I annotated the shit out of my copy and needed to put actual effort into going back through it for quotes and such. Ironically, this has resulted in a frontlog of reviews (this is a word I just made up). I have, I don’t know, twenty reviews? ready to go. But I wanted to write this review first so I could post them in the order I read them. This is my brain!

So, seriously, this book was very, very bad.

It’s pretty rare that I say a book is “bad.” Most books have redeeming qualities, or maybe just aren’t my thing. Actually, there are a lot of books that people have loved that I hate. But just because I hate them, doesn’t mean they’re bad. One thing does not necessarily follow the other. It drives me absolute BONKERS when I see reviewers say books are BAD when really what’s going on is that they just don’t like them. There’s a difference between quality and preference. I feel like it’s a really subjective difference, but it is there. The Temple of the Winds has SO MANY THINGS wrong with it that I don’t feel uncomfortable at all just straight up saying it was bad. And yet, it was entertaining for the most part. But even that redeeming quality was mostly outweighed for me by the juvenile writing, terrrrrible dialogue, the blatant sexism, the lazy plotting, and awful character work.

The only part of this book I have no complaints with is the fantasy setting. I mean, it’s generic, but some of it is genuinely cool and/or interesting when separated from that other stuff. Like, I love the idea of the Confessors. And the way Goodkind handles prophecy in general is interesting in a way I’ve never seen another fantasy novel handle it. (Prophecy can only be interpreted by other prophets because the prophecy isn’t just the written words, but images and feelings that come with it that normal people can’t interpret, or even perceive.) I say “in general,” because there is a scene I’m going to talk about below involving prophecy that made me want to throw this damn book across the room.

So, let’s break it down. Spoilers all up in here:

Drefan Rahl and the “Mysterious” Prostitute Murderer

There’s a lot of stuff going on in this book. It’s 800 something pages. Drefan Rahl is one of those things, and since he connects in a major way to three storylines, I’m starting with him. So famous Richard Rahl, Lord of D’Hara and lover of Kahlan, at the end of the last book declared himself ruler of the known world or whatever, you know, for people’s safety. This involved forcing all the provinces and countries that used to make up the Midlands (a confederacy, ruled by the Mother Confessor, who is Kahlan) to declare loyalty to Richard and join the D’Haran Empire, giving up their sovereignty in exchange for protection. If they don’t do this, Richard will consider them an enemy, aligned with the anti-magic Emperor who is coming to kill them all. Richard has assumed that he was an only child until now, but it seems his father Darken Rahl, the old Lord Rahl, had lots of bastard children, most of whom he had killed, but one survived. That one is Drefan, who shows up in the middle of all these provinces and countries declaring themselves for Richard. He also happens to show up right when Emperor Jagang makes a new move by sending his agents into the city to cause chaos, by starting a plague outbreak with magic.

You, as a discerning reader, will pretty much know right away that Drefan is a bundle of trouble. He pretends to be the leader of a group of healers, a “nice guy” who is out to protect people and live down his awful father’s reputation. And then the first thing he actually does completely wipes that from your head. Cara, one of Richard’s Mord-Sith bodyguards, is attacked by Jagang, who is possessing this guy Marlin’s body (sigh), and Marlin escapes their custody, harming Cara in the process. Drefan just happens to show up right at that moment and “heals her”. I mean, he does heal her, but he gets up to some sketchy as hell rapey shit while doing it. During the healing, he full-on grabs her naked breasts, and then puts his hands down her pants and up her lady business. He says he’s doing this to check JUST IN CASE the bad guy put her in a state of continuous orgasm. You know, because that is a thing he thinks LIKELY. Either this world is way more fucked up than we thought, or this guy is a disgusting asshole. Even Kahlan balks at his behavior. She dwells on it for the rest of the novel, but she is horribly passive about it. She never tells anyone about her misgivings, even though Richard is trying to decide whether or not to trust his newfound brother, and that would have been helpful information. She is a doormat. (Sidenote: It was at this point that I just started writing “WTF” all over the book every time something like this happened. And it happened a lot. I should count the WTFs.)

So while all the city is going to hell with the plague, a rash of extremely violent prostitute murders start happening. We get to witness the first one via the “anonymous” POV of a new male character, who is the murderer. I knew immediately this murderer was Drefan. It was blindingly obvious. And yet, Goodkind wastes time trying to trick us into thinking it’s this other red herring guy. And I don’t know if Goodkind hates prostitutes or not (my guess is yes based on reading this book), but Drefan certainly does. His mother was a prostitute, so he thinks all of them are drunks and degenerates and generally horrible people. He murders them to cleanse the city. It’s predictable, and disgusting. He also continually, stupidly, and without proof, blames the spreading of the plague on the prostitutes, even though none of the victims we meet have ever even met a prostitute.

We also get this gem from him to Richard:

“Kahlan is beautiful. You are a fortunate man to have a woman of such substance and noble character. A woman like that only comes along once in a lifetime, and then only if the good spirits smile on you.”

Yeah, the rest of us are crap. (But really, to Drefan, we are.)

And then after all this awfulness, we have to deal with Drefan and Kahlan being a key part of the prophecy that is set to save everyone. But more on that later.

The Plague

Seguing into the plague, seriously, fucking Drefan is OBSESSED with blaming the spreading of the plague on prostitutes. This is how he introduces himself:

“I’m Drefan Rahl, High Priest of the Raug’Moss community of healers. I’ve had some experience with the plague. I suggest that you confine yourself to your room and avoid contact with strangers. Especially prostitutes.”

I mean, WHAT!?????

Here’s him again, referring to Richard:

“You’d think he’d be worried about the plague, if not getting caught. The plague is running wild among the prostitutes, more so than among the populace at large.”

Drefan. Learn science. Then punch yourself in the face.

Also, like everything to do with the plague, this is just lazy writing. I knew going into this book that the plague would be the main threat, but it’s honestly barely in this, aside from a scene near the middle where we meet several children dying from the plague, who then do die. After that, we only get periodic updates from random characters telling us things like “more people are dying” and “oh that plague thing is still happening.” But we never SEE it. Particularly since I just read a plague book that was great (Doomsday Book), this felt extra bad to me. The plague never feels like a real threat by itself, only ever in the actions of Richard and Kahlan, who do some truly melodramatic things as a result. Only ONE character that we care about actually gets sick, so of course she is also the only one to die. She also happens to be a lesbian, who literally dies with a chipmunk eating from her hand. I’m telling you, I can’t make this up.

It also annoys me that this plague is the same as ours. This part may be just my personal preference, but I feel like it’s lazy writing. This is a made up world. That plague could be anything, and he went with something that is from our world (which also seems unlikely).

(P.S. TO DREFAN: THE PLAGUE STARTED WITH A CHILDREN’S GAME, AND ITS FIRST VICTIMS WERE ALL KIDS, SO HOW EXACTLY IS IT SO PROMINENT WITH PROSTITUTES AGAIN? OH WAIT IT’S NOT SHUT UP I HATE YOU.)

The Hot Mess of Nadine

Guys, Nadine. Just GUYS. NADINE. Nadine is the reason I started to think that Drefan wasn’t the only man who has a problem with women.

So Nadine is a young woman from Richard’s hometown who randomly shows up at the palace, declaring she’s, well. This is what she says:

“I’m on my way to my love. He’s been gone since last autumn. We’re to be wed, and I’m on my way to him.”

Stellar in every way, those sentences. It turns out her “love” is Richard Rahl, nee Cypher, and Shota the witch woman has told her she’s going to marry Richard. Nadine crosses a HUGE country to marry Richard, who she has not seen in years, and even before that, they barely spoke because of something awful Nadine did, just because this rando told her to. They weren’t even dating before that awful thing happened! (I promise I’ll tell you about it in a sec.) So for this completely moron to travel all that way on the word of someone she doesn’t even know, who tells her she’s going to marry Richard, for that to translate to, Oh I’m going to marry Richard, he must love me and I must love him and we’re going to be married despite literally everything telling me that’s not going to happen! you just know she has to be incredibly stupid.

Upon finding Richard and a bunch of people she doesn’t know, she:

  • Continually tells them, including Richard, that they are going to be married, even after Richard tells her they’re not, he doesn’t love her, treats her like he doesn’t even LIKE her, introduces her to Kahlan, and tells her that he loves Kahlan NOT HER and he is marrying Kahlan NOT HER.
  • Accuses Richard of tricking everyone in the room into thinking he’s a Lord and tells everyone in the room that obviously Richard can’t be Lord Rahl, because “Richard is a nobody.” This is an excellent way to woo a man. Especially one with a huge ego! Nadine, you complete idiot.
  • Insists on inserting herself into everything, even though everyone keeps telling her to go away.
  • Alters her dress overnight so that it’s tighter, so as to entice Richard, and then prances around in it.

She also continually says things like this to Kahlan:

Nadine looked Kahlan in the eye. “And you’re so beautiful. It doesn’t seem fair. You even have beautiful green eyes; I just have dumb brown eyes. You must have had men lined up around the palace your whole life, wanting you. You must have had more suitors than  most women can even dream of. You have everything. You could have your pick of any man in the Midlands . . . and you pick a man from my home.”

And this:

“Any other woman in your place would’ve had me shaved bald and sent me out of town in the back of a manure wagon.”

NO, THEY WOULDN’T!!

Look, aside from Nadine being the worst, the fact that Goodkind thinks this is what happens between two women who want the same man says a lot about him. Men like Richard are SO DREAMY so we all must lose our minds at the possibility of being with him, ignoring any and all common sense, and behaving like cats fighting in an alleyway over whatever it is cats fight over. (My cat ate her own vomit this morning.)

And this is Kahlan’s reaction to Nadine:

“She wanted this tempting, dangerous, beautiful young woman away from Richard.”

Just, no. Why would an intelligent woman like Kahlan, who is supposedly marrying a man she trusts and loves, give two shits about Nadine? I mean, maybe be annoyed with her and wish she would leave, but treat her like a legitimate threat? No effing way. Kahlan isn’t stupid enough, or petty enough, for that. Or, she shouldn’t be, if Goodkind knew how to write his own character.

The pinnacle of the Hot Mess of Nadine comes when Nadine details to Kahlan why Richard and she never got together, and it turns out Nadine’s version of getting a man is just as bad and stupid as she is. She tries to snag Richard by seducing his brother, and planning for Richard to catch them. You should really read this whole page in its full glory to get the whole effect:

IMG_1177

At least Goodkind takes the opportunity at this point to have Kahlan say this:

“Nadine, as the good spirits are my witness, you have got to be just about the stupidest woman I have ever met.”

All the Nonsense With Richard and Kahlan

Maybe this next thing has always been an issue and I just didn’t realize it. I did watch the TV show in between reading the last book and this one, and that show has none of the problems the book series does, particularly the sexism and characterization problems. So maybe the contrast between the TV versions of Richard and Kahlan–who are awesome–and the versions found here is what really brought this to my attention. Or this book just really really sucks, even more than the last three, at being good to these characters. It’s probably both.

Anyway, this book assassinates both of its lead characters. Kahlan becomes a doormat who dissolves into weeping fits at every provocation, instead of being the strong badass that she was. Richard is rude to everyone, even cruel, tries to control people in the name of keeping them safe, and loses his temper every five seconds. I guess the lesson here is that we women turn into emotional basket cases as soon as we fall in love, and men turn into controlling bags of dicks when given power over something, and the best part, that’s the way it SHOULD BE! That’s the IDEAL!

For example, here’s our hero seeing Nadine for the first time in years:

This wasn’t a deadly rage that gripped his eyes, or a lethal commitment. This was somehow worse. The depth of that disinterest, in that empty smile, in his eyes, was frightening.
The only way Kahlan could imagine it being worse would be if such a gaze were directed her way. That look, so devoid of fervor, if directed at her, would have broken her heart.

THIS is the guy?? This is the guy we’re supposed to see as a the rightful ruler? As the paragon of goodness? Richard is a good name for him, because he sure is a Dick. (I almost feel bad about writing that, because my little Italian grandfather’s name was Dick, and he was adorable.)

In fact, Richard enters Dick Mode quite frequently in this book, including acting that way to Kahlan, the supposed love of his life. And is a huge dick to Nadine as previously discussed. He and Kahlan have a confrontation after the stupid prophecy is revealed, and Kahlan starts crying, of course, OH RICHARD I WOULD NEVER BETRAY YOU (the prophecy says that she will betray him), and Richard just gets mad at her for going after the guy who brought the plague to the city, but really he’s not mad that she went, but that she DISOBEYED him. UGH IT MAKES ME MAD. Here’s the thing. Kahlan is a queen, a LITERAL queen. She is a warrior and has been for her whole life. Richard has been whatever he is for less than two years. Kahlan is also the Mother Confessor. Why are his wishes the only ones that are important? And how does he possibly think that he can keep her safe? Or that he even needs to? Kahlan defies Richard again when she goes to find Shota the witch woman and figure out WTF is up with Nadine. Of course, she feels bad for doing so, and takes the time to (literally) cry over her wedding dress before she goes.

In any other story, Richard is the bad guy.

As mentioned previously, Kahlan suddenly turns into the weeping willow and there’s the doormat thing, but there’s also a new and unpleasant development where she decides to suddenly turn into Regina George. While talking to Richard, Kahlan calls Nadine “a whore,” and then later, after Nadine expresses a particularly vile opinion, she says again, “Out of the mouths of whores.” WTF.  First of all, that is an insult to actual whores. Second, since when is Kahlan so vile? And that moment, we’re meant to empathize with her. It’s so out of the blue and awful, I actually sided with Nadine for a second. And that’s saying something, because as I already told you, she’s the worst.

THAT SCENE

The worst, absolute worst, part of this book is the end, when the prophecy finally shows up. “The Winds” or whatever tell Kahlan that in order for Richard to find the Temple of Winds (the magical McGuffin where Richard will supposedly find the cure to the plague), she will have to marry Drefan, and Richard will have to marry Nadine. This plot development is so moronic and contrived and pointless, I’m not even going to waste any more time on explaining why it is all of those things. What I AM going to waste time on is what happens next.

They go to the top of a stupid hill, and then they stupid get married to the wrong stupid people for no stupid reason. THEN the Temple tells them the Temple will only open once they consummate their marriages. Why? I don’t know. Maybe the temple is sentient. Maybe it’s a voyeur. Maybe getting people to stupid marry each other and then watch them have sex is like the Temple’s porn. BUT IT GETS EVEN BETTER! Kahlan basically gets suicidal because the Temple will know if the marriage is false, meaning they can’t just get married to get into the Temple. It has to stick (because of course it does). Meaning she can never be with Richard . . . not until they’re both dead. Then if you start thinking, oh yeah, she can’t have sex with Drefan! Her Confessor powers will take over! Nope. The Winds take away her power so she can have sex with him no prob. And. AND! For the cherry on top of the perverted sundae, he writes it so that Kahlan is on her period, and makes sure to mention it (this also fulfills a part of the prophecy, that she will betray him in her blood . . . sigh). Oh, and they can’t talk OR ELSE. Then she has sex with Drefan. In the complete dark. She doesn’t enjoy it. Nothing happens. She figures the Temple wants her to enjoy it. She decides to enjoy it the second time, because what the hell.

But SURPRISE! The guy she had sex with was Richard! And he’s pissed that she enjoyed herself while thinking it was Drefan! And he storms off and abandons her!

And I hated it so much. This book does not understand love or jealousy or betrayal. This book thinks it can have it both ways. It thinks it can be a book with two soulmates who love each other and know each other truly. And it thinks it can have those same characters do things that are in direct opposition. It betrays its own characters just for drama, and it manufactures conflict out of nothing. Richard believes so little that Kahlan loves him that he has a hissy fit over something he knew she had to do. And then be blamed her for making the best of it.

The only reason I’m not giving this book one star out of complete disgust is that Richard apologizes and makes it clear that Goodkind at least knows a little of what’s what. He tells Kahlan:

“I have come to beg your forgiveness. I am the one who was wrong. I am the one who caused the true pain. I am the one who betrayed our hearts, not you. It is the worst sin I could commit, and I alone am guilty of it.”

Fucking finally.

Miscellaneous Badness

So there was lots of other stuff I made note of that doesn’t fit into one of the bigger categories. I’m just going to list them out, since this review is already too long.

  • This is the best dialogue ever:”You must be dreaming,” Cara said. His gaze shifted to the Mord-Sith.
    “Dreaming? Maybe you’re dreaming. Maybe I’m your worst nightmare.”
    “I don’t have nightmares,” Cara said. “I give them.”
  • Every time he shows up, Emperor Jagang insists on referring to every woman he talks to as “Darlin” and it makes me want stab something.
  • Every time they talk about Kahlan’s wedding dress, they call it her “blue wedding dress”. EVERY TIME. We get it, okay? IT’S BLUE.
  • Richard punishes Cara like a patronizing asshole.
  • Nathan, the escaped prophet, decides to get himself a little virginal blonde-haired, blue-eyed sex pet. It’s pretty gross, and then she dies.
  • An exchange in the magical nun message book:’Ann, you wrote “Richard”. Did you really mean Richard?’
    ‘Yes.'” No, she meant Bobo the dogfaced boy. Idiot.
  • There are actually lots of “anachronisms” for lack of a better word, in this book. Things that shouldn’t be there i.e. the word panties.
  • “To live by violence is to invite it.” — Something I think is true, but which Goodkind obviously means us to think a stupid opinion, by giving it to a stupid character. Then a page later, the Dicktator tells everyone, “If you’re not with us, you’re against us.” And the thing is, Goodkind has created the kind of world where that is true.
  • The Wizard’s Fourth Rule, in case you’re curious, is that there is power in forgiveness, in giving it, but more in receiving it. Honestly, I’ve got no complaints with that.
  • More evidence that Goodkind knows nothing about women. Here’s what he thinks a woman’s reaction is to being near the end of her pregnancy:”I guess it’s only natural to dread such a profound change in their lives. Until it’s over, until the day is upon them, some of them are miserable with dread.”
  • The Sliph, the magical being they use to transport themselves great distances, used to be a prostitute when she was a human, which lends a nasty angle to the fact that she receives and gives sexual pleasure when she transports people. Ugh, Goodkind is so obsessed with prostitutes.
  • All I wrote next to this one was “fuck you”:

    “The gift of a wizard was stronger than a sorceress’s–even Verna’s–gift.”

And that’s all I got, folks. Until next time.

[1.5 stars]

Filed Under: Fantasy Tagged With: epic fantasy, fantasy, narfna, temple of the winds, terry goodkind, the sword of truth

About narfna

CBR 4
CBR 5
CBR 6
CBR 7
CBR 8
CBR  9
CBR10 participant
CBR11 participant

Good evening, everyone. I'm Leslie Monster, and this is Nightline. View narfna's reviews»

Comments

  1. ingres77 says

    October 16, 2015 at 2:53 am

    Great review.

    I read these books as a teenager, though I’m not sure I made it this far in the series. They were terrible enough for my 15 year-old self to put them down, and I would read anything in the fantasy genre at that age.

    All I remember about them is some really out of place S&M scenes of Richard being strung up and tazed, and some vaguely Ayn Randian views (that I couldn’t place, then, but knew were stupid).

    I applaud you for subjecting yourself to these books. It’s more than I’d be willing to do.

    Log in to Reply
    • narfna says

      October 16, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      That tazing scene was in book one. There is a 100 page extended rape/torture session near the end of the book.

      Sometimes I wonder what is wrong with me that I continue to read these even though they are horrible. But I have to finish the series! I just have to.

      Log in to Reply
      • ingres77 says

        October 16, 2015 at 11:44 pm

        I’ll give him credit for one thing: he posted the recipe on his website for the spice soup described in the books. It was pretty good.

        Log in to Reply
  2. Emmalita says

    October 16, 2015 at 8:51 am

    Your reviews are generally amazing, this is no exception.

    Log in to Reply
    • narfna says

      October 16, 2015 at 12:54 pm

      Awww, thank you :)

      Log in to Reply
  3. tillie says

    October 17, 2015 at 6:43 am

    I don’t know what’s wrong with me. Your reviews make me cringe and yet I want to read the books again – if only to enjoy the world and ignore the story…Or revisit the cringe maybe :)

    Log in to Reply
    • narfna says

      October 18, 2015 at 2:03 pm

      Seriously, if you do, maybe only read the first one. They are so awful. I liked the show a lot, though. Have you seen it?

      Log in to Reply
  4. Malin says

    October 17, 2015 at 12:05 pm

    I’m pretty sure Temple of the Winds is the book that finally broke Goodkind for me. I, like ingres77, read them as a teenager, when I was pretty much omnivorous for books, as well as a total completist. All the horribly graphic violence towards women just got too much. I decided I just didn’t care to see what happened to the characters after this.

    Log in to Reply
    • narfna says

      October 18, 2015 at 2:04 pm

      I saw on GR that you rated the next one three stars. Maybe your brain has just blocked it all out.

      Log in to Reply
  5. Erik says

    April 6, 2017 at 7:19 pm

    This has got to be the worst review I have ever read. Almost every single complaint you have for this book would be valid if the reader of the review didn’t know the story or the characters. You take random excerpts from the book and put them completely out of context. A lot of the information in here isn’t even part of the book. It seems you just threw it in there to make the book look bad.

    I agree with on maybe one or two points, but my goodness… I read this whole thing thinking, ” this person must have short term memory loss and forgot the actual story. Anyone who applauds this review either hasn’t read this book, or hasn’t read it in so long that they forgot all the details and context that you conveniently left out.

    Log in to Reply
    • narfna says

      April 6, 2017 at 7:28 pm

      There is an abundance of context in this review. Almost 4,000 words worth. The real problem is that you like the book and I don’t, and my not liking it is making you upset. I get it. But this is a very civil, positive book reviewing space. If you can’t be respectful to the reviewers here, please go elsewhere.

      Log in to Reply
    • Erik says

      April 6, 2017 at 7:30 pm

      And the tv show isn’t even the same story. It is a completely worthless attempt to make the Sword of Truth series into a PC fairytale event. The only similarities are the characters names and the places they live. Very few things even remotely identify with the story.

      Complete trash. Absolutely the biggest disappointment of the decade.

      Log in to Reply
      • Erik says

        April 6, 2017 at 7:33 pm

        No, my problem is that you are completely taking the entire story out of context and adding negative material that doesn’t exist. About 100 words stay true to the story. The other 3900 are just flat out dishonest and out of context.

        Maybe the problem is you don’t like a review of your review?

        Log in to Reply
        • narfna says

          April 6, 2017 at 7:36 pm

          It’s almost like different people have different opinions, and yours aren’t the only valid opinions in the world . . . I was 100% honest in my reaction to this book, and if you continue to be disrespectful, I will have a moderator delete your comments and block your IP.

          Log in to Reply
          • S says

            December 6, 2017 at 8:23 pm

            I will start off by saying that I love these books. They are my favorite. I do think that you may have made some valid points – but lashing out at someone who said that they didn’t agree.. really. And your point about the prostitutes spreading a disease that is transmitted by CONTACT. And you found that unbelievable and/or prejudiced? And of course the children where infected because that is the group of people whom the Sister first infected the plague with. I am left to wonder, as the others, if you did in fact read this book. (Not to mention children have far weaker immune systems).

            This is by no means my favorite book of the series, but it helps to introduce prominent aspects of the story line to come.

            I may not agree with all the decisions the writer made, but his books are intriguing, his characters have depth, and while dark, the world he created is fascinating, and often times can relate to real world issues, if you read between the lines.

            Overall, I do not see this as a solid review. It sounds as if it was written by a child. Simply because an unbiased adult would note things that they liked, as well as things that they didn’t. If you did actually read until the 4th book, then there must of been a reason you did? I don’t recall you mentioning anything the author did different? Although I did only skim this review, I feel I got all I needed to know from that. Who’s to say you didn’t just do the same? Just saying.

            Favorite – Faith of the Fallen. The 3 Confessor books have a lot of twists that make it hard to put down. Severed Souls, though, has something, I will admit I should have seen coming, but didn’t.

            Log in to Reply
            • ingres77 says

              December 7, 2017 at 1:11 am

              Create as many accounts as you want, Terry. No one is buying it.

              Log in to Reply
              • S says

                December 7, 2017 at 12:30 pm

                Terry? Are you serious?

                Log in to Reply
            • narfna says

              December 7, 2017 at 1:21 pm

              I will once again reiterate that it is okay for people to have different opinions and the world will not end. I am pretty tired of being accused of taking things out of context just for having an opinion that differs from that of people who did like the book. I am also tired of being accused of not actually reading the book. I did. Very thoroughly. It is burned into my brain.

              This is a civil reviewing space where we talk about our differences of opinion in a functional way. It is a not a place to attack others who disagree with you, and that is why I told Erik that I would have a mod delete his comments if he persisted in comments that were hostile in nature.

              I would be more than happy for a fan of this book to come here and present me with logical arguments that refute my points without attacking me personally, but that has yet to happen.

              And I really must disagree about the prostitutes. It makes no sense to me how a disease outbreak that infects a group of children first would move to the prostitute population and take over there. Are you suggesting that these children had more contact with prostitutes than with other people? Were there prostitutes hanging around at the game where the disease was unleashed? If it is spread by contact and the first victims were kids, then anyone those kids come into contact with will be affected.

              If he meant, and this feels like a stretch to me, that the prostitutes were traveling all over and spreading the disease that way, that did not come across at all in his writing, which is another criticism altogether. Instead, it read like he was blaming the prostitutes for spreading the disease, which was not sexually transmitted in nature. It baffles me.

              Log in to Reply
              • katie71483 says

                December 7, 2017 at 5:09 pm

                Narfna, you’ve handled these ridiculous responses so well, my friend. Kudos to you for that.

                Log in to Reply
                • narfna says

                  December 7, 2017 at 5:23 pm

                  I hold out hope for a world in which reasonable discourse is not an unreasonable expectation. I think maybe I shall die on that hill and you will find my skeleton there in 200 years.

                  Log in to Reply
    • ingres77 says

      April 6, 2017 at 9:01 pm

      Okay, this is all really weird and seemingly unwarranted.

      As someone else who has read these books (the first few, at any rate), I think narfna’s review is both thorough and piercing in its accuracy.

      Not that narfna needs me to defend her, but to any third parties reading this, I do agree with her.

      Log in to Reply
      • narfna says

        April 6, 2017 at 9:11 pm

        Not necessary, no, but appreciated all the same :)

        Log in to Reply
        • Thatoneperson says

          June 6, 2017 at 8:31 am

          Your review is awful. If you like the show over the books, you really have no taste for a good story. Many of your points were taken out of context, like Kahlan not speaking up about Drefan, of course she thought about it the whole book. We were also shown her inward thoughts of how she really wanted Richard to have a brother he could love because he really didn’t have any family, not to even mention that Drefan was helping people most of the book. People lie to themselves all the time, the whole point is the characters are not perfect, they make mistakes. I could go on an on about every single piece of what you wrote here, but it would be very long and honestly I just don’t want to. I apologize but you do not know good writing, and you do not know people for that matter either.

          Log in to Reply
          • ingres77 says

            June 6, 2017 at 9:37 am

            Is there a Terry Goodkind cult attacking the writers of negative reviews?

            Because I have no other explanation for how an old review keeps drawing the ire of you people.

            Log in to Reply
  6. Scootsa1000 says

    April 6, 2017 at 9:42 pm

    I haven’t read this, or any of the books in the series, nor do I plan to. But I enjoyed your review and appreciate your point of view, as always.

    One of the things I like the most about this wonderful community is that we all have opinions and that they are all valid, no matter what.

    If someone doesn’t like a book by Rainbow or Courtney or Uncle Stevie, it certainly isn’t the end of the world, and usually a great discussion comes out of it. Without anything nasty being said for the most part.

    Narfna, kudos to you for telling it like it is and sharing your honest thoughts with us. I always look forward to more of your reviews.

    But, my god, if you ever have a bad word to say about the dark tower, you and I are going to have words.

    Log in to Reply
    • narfna says

      April 6, 2017 at 10:58 pm

      I find it really hard to imagine that I will dislike any of the remaining Dark Tower books. I feel like this is a conflict we will avoid :D

      Log in to Reply
  7. katie71483 says

    April 7, 2017 at 8:47 am

    Narfna, is this author your version if Kristin Ashley?

    Log in to Reply
    • narfna says

      April 7, 2017 at 1:59 pm

      If by that you mean an author whose writing style I find terrible in almost every way, but I somehow can’t stop reading his books, then yes.

      Except I am only going to finish out this one series. After that I am never touching one of his books again. But you keep on keeping on with Kristin Ashley; your reviews are too fun :D

      Log in to Reply
  8. Peace and Power says

    January 12, 2019 at 11:07 pm

    I dont agree with all your criticisms of the book but I do feel that some of them are warranted. At the same time I enjoyed this book and thought it was an easy read. It’s not my favorite of the series that would be faith of the fallen but I thought this book still did a good job with the nathan story and the little buddy road trip with ann and zed. The main problem i have with your review is your inexplicable love for the legend of the seeker tv show lol. If you saw that before you started reading the books I can understand your opinion, if not then we’re beefing for life ???? all in all I enjoyed reading your review

    Log in to Reply
    • narfna says

      January 14, 2019 at 3:46 pm

      I just first of all wanted to come here and give you a high five for leaving me a respectful comment even if you disagree with me. High five!

      Second, I liked Faith of the Fallen when I read it last year. It’s definitely the best book since the first, but I still hate what Goodkind is doing with Richard.

      And I fully recognize the TV show isn’t *great* TV, but I really like its version of the characters, and it’s good comfort food TV. It would have been made very differently, though, even just a couple of years later, after Game of Thrones made it possible to do long-form, serialized fantasy on TV.

      I read the first three books, then watched the TV show. Does that mean we’re beefing?

      Log in to Reply

Leave a Reply Cancel reply

You must be logged in to post a comment.

Recent Comments

  • Mswas Administrator
    on CBR Diversions: Holiday Season –Time To Give BOOKS
    can i make this comment
  • Emmalita
    on CBR Diversions: Holiday Season –Time To Give BOOKS
    Leaving a comment! As scheduled
  • Rochelle
    on CBR Diversions: Holiday Season –Time To Give BOOKS
    Great review
  • sam
    on Admin test of non book review
    another one
  • fred
    on Admin test of non book review
    subscriptin test
See More Recent Comments »

Want to Help Out?

CBR has a great crew of volunteers, and we're always looking for more people to help out. If you have a specialty or are willing to learn, drop MsWas a line.

  • Donate
  • Shop
  • Volunteers
  • CBR11 Final Standings
  • AlabamaPink
  • FAQ
  • Contact

You can donate to CBR via:

  1. PayPal
  2. Venmo
  3. Google Pay

Copyright © 2026 · Minimum Pro on Genesis Framework · WordPress · Log in